Talk:Drum Corps

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The discussion that was originally posted on this page has been moved to the Drum and Bugle Corps talk page, now that the Drum Corps article is a redirect to the Drum and Bugle Corps article. (It was the other way around.) -- BobTuba 09:06, 20 April 2007 (PDT)

Narrow focus

I'm not sure this page should be a redirect to the Drum & Bulge Corps article. Doesn't that imply that Drum & Bugle Corps is the only kind of drum corps.

Here is a partial list of members of The Company of Fifers & Drummers, entitled "Drum Corp Profiles." There don't seem to be any more USTA musical corps left, but wouldn't drum and baton corps qualify as "drum corps," even though they don't call themselves that?

Would a disambiguation page be better? -- BobTuba 10:24, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

A disambiguation page seems in order although there may need to be a discussion about the scope of this project. See: Drum Corps Wiki. I believe that Harlan intended this to be a wiki about Drum and Bugle Corps and articles here are to be considered in that light (as opposed to a more general encyclopedia such as Wikipedia). Note: Everone please Sign your entries in talk pages. There are getting to be a lot of us and we need to identify ourselves. --Sam King 11:47, 21 April 2007 (PDT)
Oops looks like those were all by BobTuba, never mind. --Sam King 11:50, 21 April 2007 (PDT)
Okay, I went to DrumCorpsWiki:About. The only thing I see there about the scope of this project is, "DrumCorpsWiki is a collaborative encyclopedia of all things relating to Drum Corps."
How universally is the term "drum corps" understood to mean only drum & bugle corps? I think many people that are involved in the drum & bugle corps activity call drum & bugle corps, "drum corps," just because it's easier to say.
However, The Company of Fifers & Drummers refers to the corps that are members of its organization as "drum corps." [1]
Regardless, even if DrumCorpsWiki defines "drum corps" as "drum and bugle corps," wouldn't the drum corps that are members of The Company of Fifers & Drummers still be included in an "encyclopedia of all things relating to Drum Corps"?
I don't think a disambiguation page would make sense right now, unless there are fife & drum corps in DrumCorpsWiki.
There are traditionalists that claim DCI corps aren't really drum corps,[2] because of the way these corps have evolved, but were the corps that modern drum and bugle corps evolved from, "drum corps"?
What about Fife, Drum & Bugle Corps? "The Cadets... were organized in 1934 as the Holy Name Church Fife, Drum & Bugle Corps." The Long Island Grenadiers was formed when the "Medford Fire Dept. [took over the] defunct V.F.W. Fife & Drum Corps." The origin of the Quad City Knights Junior Drum Corps "actually goes back to a boys' fife and drum corps." Drum Corps Hall of Famer William "Duke" Ducharme "served on the Boards of Directors of ... Mt. Carmel Fife and Drum Corps."
Blue Devils B (or the Blue Devils Twirling Corps) competed in USTA on basketball courts with the Huntington Thunderers and Miller's Blackhawks. The Thunderers used trombones and sousaphones, instead of contras and baritones and/or euphs. The Thunderers didn't describe themselves as a "drum corps," nor as a "drum & bugle corps." Trombones aren't bugles. They have slides. Bugles with slides presumably have them for improved intonation of certain notes, rather than for jazziness or the ability to play a gliss. I feel pretty confident that marching trombone are bugles and valve trombones aren't -- but seriously, what's the difference? A marching trombone seems like a cross between a mellophonium and a marching baritone. A valve trombone looks like a trombone. Sousaphones aren't bugles -- but "the modern contra is essentially a concert tuba converted for ease of marching,"[3] just like the sousaphone, right? They're horizontal (now three or four-valve, Bb) tubas that rest on the players' shoulders, just like sousaphones, right? The Thunderers used mellophoniums and trumpets, including screech trumpet players (just like drum & bugle corps do). Are trumpets bugles? What if a corps used (or even currently uses) both bugles and brass instruments that aren't bugles?
The forty twirlers that BDB and the Thunderers both had.. weren't they part of color guards? The Thunderers had guidons twirling flags, and rifles guarding the colors.
Miller's Blackhawks became a WGI winter guard. Isn't Miller in the drum corps hall of fame?
If the Thunderers was not a drum corps, was the Blue Devils Twirling Corps with BDB?
I think there were drum corps that competed in USTA that had neither twirlers nor brass. They looked tight. I don't know what they called themselves. Were they "drum corps," or "things relating to Drum Corps"?
Are there military drum corps that use sousaphones?
Blast! is in DrumCorpsWiki. It used to be a drum corps, but not anymore.
Impulse lets DCI-member Rhythm Regiment Drum Corps use woodwinds. Just try to tell them they're not a drum corps. And some in DCI want woodwinds allowed.[4] Amplification? Vocal(s)?
Does a drum corps have to have a drum major?
I think USTA musical corps were more similar to drum & bugle corps than fife & drum corps (although not necessarily more similar than fife, drum & bugle corps), yet fife and drum corps apparently call themselves "drum corps," and the Thunderers USTA musical corps didn't.
There may need to be a discussion about the scope of this project.
-- BobTuba 22:18, 21 April 2007 (PDT) (who's signed every post he's ever made in DrumCorpsWiki)
I think _some_ sort of scope needs to be defined. Personally I think allowing all marching units to be included is going too far. There needs to be some relation to a drum and bugle corps, which for our purposes we can loosely define as a brass and percussion group. Drum Corps isn't the same as marching band, at least not yet, and I think even if DCI should permit woodwinds that there would still be enough difference to keep this scope. That said, if there is some relation to a drum corps as in the case of Rhythm Regiment then they should be included as they have an obvious relationship to an organization that is a drum and bugle corps. It would be silly to disclude enembles that have been a drum and buble corps at one time and then became a marching band. The Oakland Crusaders are an example of this although their article doesn't reflect this at the moment. --Sam King 13:07, 22 April 2007 (PDT)

I think we should move this discussion to a place where more people might happen upon it and comment, perhaps the Community page. What do they do on Wikipedia in a case like this? --Sam King 13:07, 22 April 2007 (PDT)