Talk:George Hopkins

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[edit] July 30 , 2008 Rollback

• This article is about George Hopkins, not his perceived influence on Drum Corps show design. Arguments against his philosophy of design do not belong here.

If a controversy section is to be included than it should remain unbiased. The section I edited was baised against so called traditionalists in favor of modernists. George Hopkins has influenced DCI for better or for worse and it is valid to mention this. If we follow your remark there would be no mention of any controversy. But Hopkins has made waves for many, and that is valid to put in his article. Again, do not undo my edits without talking about why. Neugye 12:09, 31 July 2008 (PDT)

This is not a page about the debate about show design; it is a page about George Hopkins. Those who feel he is responsible for today's design of drum corps field shows are forming their own opinions. These arguments do not have anything directly to do with the individual George Hopkins which is what this article is about.

This is not the place to argue which approach is better. There are many forums for that such as RAMD or Drum Corps Planet. Adding opinion to an article about George Hopkins that is not shared by him is not relevant to the article. I think it is to be expected that such an article will be positve in regards to its subject. If you wish you can start an article about show design and place some facts (hopefully with references) there.

This article will not become a place to argue the benefit of George Hopkins to Drum Corps. That is purely subjective. --Sam King 13:07, 2 August 2008 (PDT)

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A very one sided - totally anti DC approach to the topic IMHO. The author's disdain for the military is obvious. Those who loved the corps of the Golden Age are NOT against change - keep in mind they were the ones who brought about change. The disagreement is 'entertainment'. The music selected back when - was usually enjoyable - today - most, though not all music is expertly presented, but mostly un-entertaining. DC has become the 'ballet' of the music world - played by a few for a few - sad. No wonder drum corps are a vanishing breed - from literally hundreds in the 60's to perhaps 3 dozen or so and shrinking every year. It was fun while it lasted.

[edit] Controversy Part II

I have relented. There should be a _small_ section on the controversy surrounding Mr. Hopkins regarding his suggestions for DCI rule changes. Please provide links to references wherever possible. I will be monitoring this section for length and will pare it down where necessary. This section should not be larger than the rest of the article. (You could get around this by contributing to the rest of the article).

I feel this debate is artificial and sterile so I have a bias against admitting it to DCW. However if others feel it is important I won't get in the way of people writing appropriate articles about it. They do need to be real articles however; insults and hearsay will not be tolerated. The rather liberal policy (or lack thereof) on DCW in regards to references does not apply to articles likely to draw defacement such as The Cadets and this article.--Sam King 23:43, 2 August 2008 (PDT)

[edit] Controversy

This section needs work. If we are going to be terms like modernist and traditionalist, they should be defined in an article _and_ they need to have something as a reference that uses these terms in context. This will prove they haven't been made up just for the purposes of this article. (See DrumCorpsWiki:No original research). Looking at the content of this section it seems to have little to do with an article about Mr. Hopkins. This section should include something about the possible rule changes he has espoused and his influence on DCI show design. Statements such as "last five years or so" don't belong in the article. Be specific. --Sam King 23:48, 2 August 2008 (PDT)